exr output alphas missing in certain trees and plants

Rendering out of sequencer as exr’s final image and opacity layers and several of my trees and plants are coming out with completly transparent alpha - nothing is there - the trunks of the trees are half there and there are plants with little balls on the bottom right that are not there at all - they are both default lit - surface masked - i think i got the tree to even show up by making it clear coat and double sided - there is nothing in opacity or opacity mask slots - i tried making it a masked with a constant 1 in the opacity masked slot - doesnt make a difference - If i put trees behind something with this material they are obscured in the color image fine - there are trees behind all the stuff that there is no alpha but they don’t show up - its like the alpha is just cutting right thru to the background regardless of whats behind it - it just seems like its an issue in the alpha - all translucency anything seems to be greyed out so I cannot changed any settings. Any ideas